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November 09, 2012

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oddjob

Why would the strongest Democratic candidate in nearly a half a century fall short?

Furthermore the reason Will offered for this embarrassing prediction of his was the ballot initiative to add a ban to marriage equality to the state constitution, and that lost as well.

The man really, really needs to retire.

oddjob

I ... am completely gobsmacked by the notion that the Romney people were shocked that they lost.

Romney campaign spent $25K for a celebratory fireworks display over Boston Harbor.

Nicholas Beaudrot

Obama's margin in PA was smaller than in Iowa. It's not a super-swingy state, but it's still competitive.

It's possible that between Sandy, the voter ID law, and a shitty state unemployment rate, the actual result should have been a little better and the state would have been safe. But no campaign can safely assume any of those things.

Winning PA-Gov is going to be _crucial_ in 2014.

Mandos

Via Brad DeLong, FEMA!!!. Did I not mention how important FEMA was in the mythos?

And shame to let a fireworks payment go to waste.

Sir Charles

Hey Nick!

It's not a landslide site by any means, but it was a state we took by 9% in 1992, 9% again in 1996, 5% in 2000, 3% in 2004, 11% in 2008, and 5% in 2012. It's a pretty meaningful pattern I would argue. Whereas at least Wisconsin was actually pretty razor tight in the 2000 and 2004 elections.

The problem with 2014 is that it is a non-presidential year and we have to do better getting our folks out in those off year elections.

Sir Charles

Mandos,

I've already got my application into FEMA. Running one of those camps -- served no doubt by high-speed electrical trains -- would be the culmination of my life's ambitions.

low-tech cyclist

As down as I have been on George Will over the past few years, his capacity for self-delusion seems to have moved into uncharted waters lately.

FWIW, the 'tossup' range on RCP was simply quite wide, so the other categories were pushed out even further. A week ago, they had 11 Senate races listed as tossups, including some clear favorites for each side.

Meanwhile, TPM was just bizarre, putting Pennsylvania in the tossup category for the entire week before last, then once PA was 'lean Obama' again, Michigan became a tossup, then either Sunday or Monday, Ohio was a tossup. And Josh Marshall is patting himself on the back because TPM allegedly did a better job of calling things than anybody besides Nate Silver.

I'm a big fan of Josh's going back to his print media days with the Washington Monthly. But he's delusional if he thinks TPM's PollTracker is ready for prime time, let alone better than everybody but Nate. They really need to do some serious work on it before 2014.

FWIW, Sam Wang & Co. nailed the Senate with their 54-56 Dems prediction. If anyone else was going with a median over 53 (besides me), I missed it.

low-tech cyclist

On the swing states: not only are Oregon, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and New Mexico not swing states, but neither is Nevada anymore, at least at the Presidential level: it seems to have really solidified as a Democratic state in ways that the polls don't catch.

I'm not ready to say the same thing about NH and IA, but they look to me like heavily Dem-leaning swing states at this point.

I don't know how true this is, but someone said the problem with PA for Republicans was that while it always looks within reach, there really aren't that many persuadable voters in PA. Barring a national landslide, it's going to keep on going Dem, but only by a few points more than the national average.

Rumor has it that the GOP is now in the "if only we'd had a better candidate" stage. But they did their damnedest to find a not-Romney who could at least look like a believable President, and none was to be found. I don't see that changing in 2016. Besides, anyone who can satisfy the base will be too far out for the median voter.

Speaking of 2016, TPM has a header today: "Clinton, Christie Lead First Polls Of 2016 N.H. Primaries." Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oddjob

As long as the GOP remains heavily identified with fundamentalist Christianity it will win big in central Pennsylvania but lose the Pittsburgh and Philadelphia suburbs. As long as it loses there no Republican presidential candidate will win Pennsylvania.

paula

Oj-I think that holds true in other states as well. Suburbs and rural areas do not support enough population to outweigh a couple of big cities. And, of course, there is no correlation between the number of trees growing in a particular locale, and number of Republican voters, contrary what the GOP may believe. Look at western Mass and VT. No rocket science here...

Sir Charles

l-t c,

On Real Clear Politics, it seems to me that their approach is a total cop out. And one that doesn't reflect much reality -- if the median poll gives a lead of 4.8% the day before an election, it has ceased to be a tossup.

I picked 54 Democratic seats with a shot at 55. I just thought the 55th seat was more likely Nevada (for the reasons you suggest) than North Dakota. Heitkamp really got an amazing amount of ticket splitters.

I believe that Chris Christie has zero chance of getting the 2016 nomination now.

oddjob,

My in-laws were classic examples of what you described. They were Rockefeller Republicans who lived in the Philly suburbs. The last time that they voted Republican was in 1988 when Bush 41 was on the ticket. He had enough of that patrician air to get past them the first time. After that they never pulled the GOP lever again. The hater stuff was just beyond them and my father in law, who had grown up dirt poor, just couldn't abid by their mean-spiritedness.

oddjob

That was also the last time I voted for the Republican nominee (& I was living in Bucks County then).

By '92 Poppy Bush was in thrall to the haters. I was disgusted by his submissive behavior towards them.

Patrick Buchanan plays to the hater crowd really well. I still haven't gotten over his keynote speech at the '92 Republican National Convention.

paula

this is interesting on many levels:
http://bit.ly/YZtm0Q

Joe S

Sir C, the Great Plains (and the Midwest generally) have a tradition of lots of ticket splitters. The Dakotas and Montana have been red states for a long time, but often have had all-Democratic congressional delegations. Moreover, there are some actual progressives in the bunch (George McGovern, Byron Dorgan, Tom Daschle).

oddjob

the Great Plains (and the Midwest generally) have a tradition of lots of ticket splitters

A century ago the Progressive Party was strong out there. I wonder if that's symptomatic of an ongoing facet of the area's political culture where neither major party is necessarily regarded as very appealing?

kathy a.

TNC on romney getting sucker-punched because he surrounded himself with delusional yes-men.

oddjob -- how sad, about the fireworks. i mean, that's kind of weird, isn't it, to set up fireworks for your own precious self? especially when it is not clear the party will be, like, happy? ah, well. maybe they can send the unused fireworks to victims of hurricane sandy -- sure, it's not heat or electricity, but it's WOW!

i'm pretty mystified at all the "oh, maybe we should appeal to those hispanical people" musings in gop-land. really? you think it would make all the difference if you gestured at immigration reform and maybe passed out tacos? what's the plan for all the disgruntled ladies?

oddjob

How Ridiculous Gerrymanders Saved the House Republican Majority

It's from Slate, but this is an interesting post.

oddjob

(And having grown up in Pennsylvania I can attest to the correctness of the assertion that this congressional district map is just nuts.)

nancy

Let the retaliations begin. Obama's conducting a *war* on coal, so fire the coal workers. I believe we're back to Dickens again.

oddjob

what's the plan for all the disgruntled ladies?

According to Amanda Marcotte, more slut shaming.

nancy

Best part of the layoff communique from CEO Murray:

Chief Executive Officer Robert Murray read a prayer to workers asking God’s forgiveness for “decisions that we are now forced to make to preserve the very existence of any of the enterprises that you have helped us build,” the Washington Post reported.

WWJD? Make a pointless point at the expense of a few in the wake of an election I guess.

low-tech cyclist

oddjob - the gerrymandering made a huge difference, no question about it. I don't think what gerrymandering the Dems did in IL and MD helped them that much: it gained them maybe 1 seat in MD, and given how blue IL has become in recent years, a 12-6 lean is hardly out of whack.

But Ohio and Pennsylvania are typically just a couple points off the national mean in opposite directions. Taken together, their combined Congressional delegations should have about 17 Representatives from each party. But it looks like the balance is going to be more like 25-9 in favor of the GOP. That's incredibly antidemocratic.

I still think we could have done considerably better on the Congressional front if Obama hadn't blown the first debate. Gerrymandering can usually hold up against a small wave, but can be swamped by even a medium-sized one.

We lost 18 races by 53-47 or less, and several more by 53-46 or 54-46. If there'd been more room for everyone from Obama and the DNC on down to people like us to start focusing on the House a month ago, I think the House would have been a tossup. You really need a generic Congressional ballot that's D+6 or better to overcome gerrymandering like we have now, but if Obama had maintained the ~6% edge he'd had going into the first debate, that would have been achievable.

low-tech cyclist

WWJD? Make a pointless point at the expense of a few in the wake of an election I guess.

I'm convinced that the Jesus of the right wing is a special Corporate Asshole Jesus. You've got to twist the Bible into a pretzel to find evidence of him, but they're good at that.

oddjob

I still think we could have done considerably better on the Congressional front if Obama hadn't blown the first debate.

I'm not sure it would've helped much in Pennsylvania. Based on the little I know and my own guesstimating about that district map I think at best a better debate might have picked up 2-3 more seats and very possibly 0 additional seats.

The map is really an insanely partisan thing.

oddjob

I'm convinced that the Jesus of the right wing is a special Corporate Asshole Jesus. You've got to twist the Bible into a pretzel to find evidence of him, but they're good at that.

John Calvin pointed the way back in Switzerland in the early 1500's and his teachings have had their corrosive effects in the USA since pretty much the beginning.

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