Comments on Convention Live BloggingTypePad2012-09-06T01:43:37ZStephen Suhhttp://www.cogitamusblog.com/tag:typepad.com,2003:http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2012/09/convention-live-blogging/comments/atom.xml/nancy commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d49688330177449590ca970d2012-09-08T00:20:30Z2012-09-08T00:20:30ZnancyMore on the above mentioned AP *fact-checking* story that went out over the wire after Clinton's speech. There's a new...<p>More on the above mentioned AP <a href="http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/fact-ap-unclear-on-definition-of-fact.html?imw=Y" rel="nofollow"> *fact-checking* </a> story that went out over the wire after Clinton's speech. There's a new twitter hashtag in its honor -- #futureapfactchecks. :^) <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23futureapfactchecks" rel="nofollow"> Priceless. </a> Rather imagine another young career path has been slightly altered through industry-inflicted wounding.</p>low-tech cyclist commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017d3be0a38f970c2012-09-07T02:09:13Z2012-09-07T02:09:13Zlow-tech cyclisthttp://www.cogitamusblog.comThat was a pretty strong cup of Joe.<p>That was a pretty strong cup of Joe.</p>nancy commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017d3be011ca970c2012-09-06T23:30:43Z2012-09-06T23:30:43ZnancyAccording to comments at several places, some of the anchors at CNN were talking over parts of Elizabeth Warren's speech....<p>According to comments at several places, some of the anchors at CNN were talking over parts of Elizabeth Warren's speech. That <i>would</i> tend to get her message "swallowed" even without Bill. Dave Neiwert believes her <a href="http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/elizabeth-warrens-speech-vital-voice#comments" rel="nofollow"> remarks </a> were more substantively important than Bill's only-Bill-can-do-this address . I listened to her again and have to agree. She seems to be getting some short shrift press treatment and one wonders why. Page 13 in the Globe?<br />
</p>nancy commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017d3bdf1d45970c2012-09-06T18:56:58Z2012-09-06T18:56:58Znancykathy, That is a true unintentional hilarity classic. This quoted AP piece graces the front page of the Seattle Times...<p>kathy, That is a true unintentional hilarity classic. </p>
<p>This <a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/true_but_also_lewinsky.php?ref=fpblg" rel="nofollow">quoted AP piece </a>graces the front page of the Seattle Times today. ?? That means it surely made it to the front pages in red-state places everywhere. Like truthiness, now we've 'fact-checking, well sort of' -- 'cause the phrase has gotten lots of hits lately. Any journalists left standing?</p>kathy a. commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d49688330177448df484970d2012-09-06T17:45:37Z2012-09-06T17:45:37Zkathy a.it's not that far off topic, come to think of it.<p>it's not that far off topic, come to think of it.</p>kathy a. commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017c31b037ff970b2012-09-06T17:45:09Z2012-09-06T17:45:09Zkathy a.off topic, but this is completely hilarious. via balloon juice.<p>off topic, but <a href="http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_21386184/paul-ryan-mountain-man?source=skipframe-ht.ly" rel="nofollow"> this is completely hilarious</a>. via <a href="http://www.balloon-juice.com/2012/09/06/im-the-man-on-the-mountain-come-on-up/#comments" rel="nofollow"> balloon juice</a>.</p>low-tech cyclist commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d49688330177448d7bc3970d2012-09-06T16:09:50Z2012-09-06T16:09:50Zlow-tech cyclistSarah Kliff, a word, please: You did a fact-check on Clinton's speech last night, and I hate to say it,...<p>Sarah Kliff, a word, please:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/06/bill-clinton-said-many-many-things-about-medicare-last-night-heres-how-his-facts-check-out/" rel="nofollow">You did a fact-check</a> on Clinton's speech last night, and I hate to say it, but your TNR roots are showing.</p>
<p>You say: <i>TRUE: “There were no cuts to benefits at all. None.”</i></p>
<p>But that follows:</p>
<p><i>FALSE: “Both Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan attacked the president for allegedly robbing Medicare of $716 billion. That’s the same attack they leveled against the Congress in 2010, and they got a lot of votes on it. But it’s not true.”</i></p>
<p>Medicare is a <b>defined-benefit</b> plan, not a defined-contribution plan. (At least, as long as we can keep Romney's and Ryan's hands off the program.) If you can provide the fixed benefits for less money, the savings go back to the Treasury, where they will be used for other things.</p>
<p>In no way can that be called 'robbing Medicare' because it's a defined-benefit program, and the defined benefits are intact.</p>
<p>Which is exactly what Obama did.</p>
<p>Now he used those savings to help fund Obamacare, but that's neither here nor there. The basic point is that being able to provide the same benefit package for less money isn't 'robbing Medicare.'</p>low-tech cyclist commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017c31afaed2970b2012-09-06T15:55:33Z2012-09-06T15:55:33Zlow-tech cyclistThanks, Joe, I appreciate the tip. But I'm willing to open my wallet to more races than that, and it...<p>Thanks, Joe, I appreciate the tip. But I'm willing to open my wallet to more races than that, and it would be nice to see a global view somewhere of "here are the 30, or 40, or 60 closest races, and here are the ones with Dem candidates we really like."</p>Joe S commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017c31af3d3b970b2012-09-06T14:08:25Z2012-09-06T14:08:25ZJoe SLTC, as Daily Kos Elections noted, there are 5 competitive seats in Illinois. We kept Democratic control of the governorship...<p>LTC, as Daily Kos Elections noted, there are 5 competitive seats in Illinois. We kept Democratic control of the governorship and both houses of the legislature- so Dems put in a wicked gerrymander. If we win the House, it's going to be because of big wins in Illinois (and California too, is my understanding).<br />
</p>low-tech cyclist commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017d3bddae38970c2012-09-06T13:20:32Z2012-09-06T13:20:32Zlow-tech cyclistOnce again, I'll have to catch it later. Yesterday evening was squeezed by the kid's soccer practice - barely had...<p>Once again, I'll have to catch it later. Yesterday evening was squeezed by the kid's soccer practice - barely had time to eat supper before the kid's bath time and bedtime. Fell asleep well before Clinton started talking.</p>
<p>Intrade still has Obama's chances of re-election at only 58.7%. I think I may have to put a bet down on Obama before the needle starts moving, because I think the Presidential race is all but over.</p>
<p>What I really need right now is a website like MyDD was, once upon a time, that could help me sort out what House races might be worth my while to send some money to. It's pretty easy to find out which Senate races are on the bubble, since there's only ~33 of them to begin with, but House races are a much more confusing universe. And I'd really like to see us take back the House in November, as well as hold the White House and Senate.</p>oddjob commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d49688330177448cc9b8970d2012-09-06T13:17:46Z2012-09-06T13:17:46ZoddjobI thought Warren was quite polished. My only fear is that Clinton may have completely swallowed any story about her....<p><i>I thought Warren was quite polished. My only fear is that Clinton may have completely swallowed any story about her.</i> </p>
<p>Bill Clinton's speech is covered on the front page of today's Boston Globe; Warren's speech is covered on page 13 (back with the rest of the coverage on the convention).</p>oddjob commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017d3bdda7db970c2012-09-06T13:13:57Z2012-09-06T13:13:57ZoddjobLike a caged animal let back out for a brief run in the wild. It most certainly did seem that...<p><i>Like a caged animal let back out for a brief run in the wild.</i> </p>
<p>It most certainly did seem that way, didn't it?</p>kathy a. commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017d3bdc6cde970c2012-09-06T07:16:11Z2012-09-06T07:16:11Zkathy a.elizabeth warren -- wearing my favorite team colors, black and blue. ;) she is great.<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBtij5dR3dA" rel="nofollow"> elizabeth warren</a> -- wearing my favorite team colors, black and blue. ;)</p>
<p>she is great.</p>kathy a. commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017d3bdc53ce970c2012-09-06T06:48:42Z2012-09-06T06:48:42Zkathy a.sister simone -- a nun on the bus. in bad times, you really want a good nun in your corner....<p><a href="http://www.c-span.org/DNC/Events/Simone-Campbell-at-the-2012-Democratic-National-Convention/C3872415/" rel="nofollow"> sister simone</a> -- a nun on the bus. in bad times, you really want a good nun in your corner. (the vatican is nervous about the good nuns. they should be.)</p>kathy a. commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017c31ad8f3a970b2012-09-06T06:03:47Z2012-09-06T06:03:47Zkathy a.about the RNC: "we left him a total mess; he didn't clean it up fast enough; so put us back...<p>about the RNC: "we left him a total mess; he didn't clean it up fast enough; so put us back in." HA!</p>kathy a. commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017c31ad86e4970b2012-09-06T05:54:56Z2012-09-06T05:54:56Zkathy a.clinton's speech. i'm only a few minutes in, but hell of a speech.<p><a href="http://www.c-span.org/DNC/Events/Former-President-Bill-Clinton-at-the-2012-Democratic-National-Convention/C3779974/" rel="nofollow"> clinton's speech</a>. i'm only a few minutes in, but hell of a speech.</p>big bad wolf commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017d3bdc11ac970c2012-09-06T05:29:00Z2012-09-06T05:29:00Zbig bad wolfif this josh marshall statement is accurate it makes me happy: "10:53 PM: Folks with a hard copy of the...<p>if this josh marshall statement is accurate it makes me happy:<br />
"10:53 PM: Folks with a hard copy of the speech tell me it bears little resemblance to what Clinton’s actually saying."</p>
<p>nice. i am so tired of scripted and vetted, even in our side's favor. i am so tired of leaks, even if they are as minor as what player will tomorrow announce his retirement. i liked it when the world occurred in real time, not ahead of time. i like it that someone may say something that wasn't scrubbed and approved. does this make me old or worse? </p>big bad wolf commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d49688330177448b29c8970d2012-09-06T05:20:29Z2012-09-06T05:20:29Zbig bad wolfthe best line i ever heard about clinton was that he'd stick in the knife as he patted you on...<p>the best line i ever heard about clinton was that he'd stick in the knife as he patted you on the back. </p>
<p>that was a very good, if overlong, speech. not that anyone seemed to care. he's got the touch. i wish we had someone that good that could push the envelope a bit. i thought deval patrick was great on monday, but patrick, like clinton, is a logrolling, corporate trip, personal luxury loving socially liberal pol. right now, i'll take that. </p>Sir Charles commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017d3bdbb7c2970c2012-09-06T03:52:01Z2012-09-06T03:52:01ZSir Charlesnancy, I thought Warren was quite polished. My only fear is that Clinton may have completely swallowed any story about...<p>nancy,</p>
<p>I thought Warren was quite polished. My only fear is that Clinton may have completely swallowed any story about her.</p>
<p>paula,</p>
<p>It was an amazingly well crafted centrist critique of Republican unreasonableness -- and filled with substance to boot.</p>paula commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d49688330177448ac992970d2012-09-06T03:38:40Z2012-09-06T03:38:40ZpaulaDemocracy is not a blood sport-----Bill C.<p>Democracy is not a blood sport-----Bill C.</p>Sir Charles commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d49688330177448ac4d4970d2012-09-06T03:32:54Z2012-09-06T03:32:54ZSir CharlesEric, It's long, but well worth watching. Once you take care of the most important business.<p>Eric,</p>
<p>It's long, but well worth watching.</p>
<p>Once you take care of the most important business.</p>Eric Wilde commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017d3bdba441970c2012-09-06T03:30:49Z2012-09-06T03:30:49ZEric Wildehttp://ewildebeast.blogspot.comArrgh! Just got out of work. I'll watch it when I get home and get the girls to sleep.<p>Arrgh! Just got out of work. I'll watch it when I get home and get the girls to sleep.</p>nancy commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d49688330177448abc8d970d2012-09-06T03:24:21Z2012-09-06T03:24:21ZnancyIt's not just you Joe. Leadership or no, I get the feeling Andrew doesn't know very many women nor have...<p>It's not just you Joe. Leadership or no, I get the feeling Andrew doesn't know very many women nor have a particular interest in changing that -- very unlike many of my male gay pals who love to yak over the "back fence" on a regular basis.</p>
<p>Also. Love Elizabeth, but she's got a nice smile. She should use it. </p>
<p>Bill -- what a guy. He's unleashed. "Arithmatic." Oh best. Staccato man. He's gonna need a voice gargle again, bless him. </p>Sir Charles commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017c31acd094970b2012-09-06T02:40:03Z2012-09-06T02:40:03ZSir CharlesJoe, I thought she did a very good job as well. It was punchy and well delivered.<p>Joe,</p>
<p>I thought she did a very good job as well. It was punchy and well delivered. <br />
</p>Joe S commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d49688330177448a8f38970d2012-09-06T02:36:13Z2012-09-06T02:36:13ZJoe SWell, I liked Warren's speech quite a bit. I thought she hit the right notes and connected it up to...<p>Well, I liked Warren's speech quite a bit. I thought she hit the right notes and connected it up to the Obama reelection effort.</p>Sir Charles commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017d3bdb7068970c2012-09-06T02:35:58Z2012-09-06T02:35:58ZSir CharlesWhew. Comments are back up. bbw, Yeah, I think you pretty much nailed the solipsism of Sully.<p>Whew. Comments are back up.</p>
<p>bbw,</p>
<p>Yeah, I think you pretty much nailed the solipsism of Sully.</p>big bad wolf commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017c31acc6ed970b2012-09-06T02:30:55Z2012-09-06T02:30:55Zbig bad wolfwisdom of an 11-year old: my daughter said, listening to warren, "nothing grows from the top down." sullivan has one...<p>wisdom of an 11-year old: my daughter said, listening to warren, "nothing grows from the top down."</p>
<p>sullivan has one very important principle---what affects andrew sullivan. if it touches andrew (even if it is lawbreaking like smoking marijuana (which i favor)) andrew cares. if it doesn't touch andrew, he believes folks should just tough it out and embrace tory tough love. </p>Sir Charles commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017d3bdb602f970c2012-09-06T02:19:02Z2012-09-06T02:19:02ZSir CharlesJoe, Yes. I think Sullivan has a misogynistic streak. I also think he really has no regard whatsoever for working...<p>Joe,</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>I think Sullivan has a misogynistic streak.</p>
<p>I also think he really has no regard whatsoever for working people. They are expendable and should accept that.</p>Joe S commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017c31acb95f970b2012-09-06T02:15:24Z2012-09-06T02:15:24ZJoe SIs it just me, or does it seem like Sullivan has a problem with women who take up leadership roles...<p>Is it just me, or does it seem like Sullivan has a problem with women who take up leadership roles ? He really hated Hillary Clinton for no reason I can figure out. He also had a hard on for Sarah Palin in a way most people wouldn't. Now I don't like Sarah Palin much at all, but the way he went after her (and, in her way, Palin was no more ignorant than George W Bush) suggested something personal.</p>Sir Charles commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d49688330177448a750f970d2012-09-06T02:07:45Z2012-09-06T02:07:45ZSir CharlesI thought he was quite effective. And I loved Sister Simone. I think Sandra Fluke is doing a pretty impressive...<p>I thought he was quite effective.</p>
<p>And I loved Sister Simone.</p>
<p>I think Sandra Fluke is doing a pretty impressive job as well.</p>big bad wolf commented on 'Convention Live Blogging'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00df3520d4968833017c31aca81c970b2012-09-06T01:58:36Z2012-09-06T01:58:36Zbig bad wolfsister simone! i loved that steelworker.<p>sister simone!</p>
<p>i loved that steelworker. </p>