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January 09, 2012

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Joe S

I have to think as well that the White evangelical base will be somewhat depressed by the fact that the Repbublican nominee is a Country Club Republican who is also a Mormon. Let's face it, this election is not going to be decided if Eric Erickson or Glenn Greenwald is disappointed with Obama or Romney. This election is going to be decided by low information and/or weakly attached voters who relate to a candidate. Those weakly attached voters are not going to be enthused about Romney, but our weakly attached voters (working class voters of color who don't turn out regularly) probably still are going to be enthused about Obama.

kathy a.

it will clearly matter to most people who gets elected.

there was a lot of positive enthusiasm for obama last time; and the reality of governing with many republicans in congress valuing obstructionism over accomplishing anything has taken some shine off. i think he's done a pretty good job under the circumstances, but my flavor of enthusiasm this time will be to stop the clown car -- every one of them would be hideous on a lot of issues that i care about.

romney's less hideous than some, but his GOP competitors are doing their best to demonize him and trot out his flaws -- as they endeavor to capture the evangelical and/or libertarian vote. (aren't those strange bedfellows?) going scorched-earth to win the nomination is not the greatest strategy for the party to win the actual election. and then there is romney himself, who as you point out, isn't all that likeable.

oddjob

A President Romney would be politically hostage to the GOP's fringe legislators.

oddjob

Perry's preparing to hamstring Romney in South Carolina.

"...Even the hardest of hardcore Republicans, like Perry, realize that this is now a populist election and their likeliest nominee is a plutocrat who stumbles every time he tried to relate to regular folks, and has a record at Bain that is a populist opponent's dream...."

kathy a.

yes and yes, oddjob. of course, the other candidates ARE the fringe, not just beholden.

the rest of the pack seems dedicated to offending and limiting the rights of and protections for women, people of color, working people, and poor people. and people who don't feel like religion or corporations, or both, ought to be defining public policy.

this is a mean bunch. it's not just about abortion anymore; now they're after contraception. people born poor should have chosen better parents, in a better neighborhood. when they and their parents benefited from the GI bill, free public education, and government jobs, it was "pulling themselves up by their bootstraps"; but when poor kids need food, education, and jobs, that's just welfare queens and their despicable progeny, who shouldn't be rewarded. the government should definitely cut financial breaks to rich people so they can get richer; and lay off those pesky "job-killing" regulations about child labor, wages, job safety, pollution, etc. -- it's better to die on the job than not have one (except when the dying might happen in their own families).

these people piss me the hell off.

Paula B

What was that about a silver foot? http://wapo.st/ysduKa

Mitt's fellow clowns may try to bury him, but he's his own worst enemy.

Davis X. Machina

A President Romney would be politically hostage to the GOP's fringe legislators.

So would a President Obama. The Iowa Electronic Markets had "Both Houses GOP" at $0.61 last time I looked.

kathy a.

DXM -- we really need to focus on congressional battles. which is easy for me to say, because i'm in safe dem congressional territory. but it is our collective business who gets elected in other regions and states.

especially where the crazies are spending lots.

oddjob

So would a President Obama.

Not in the same way. A President Obama in a second term would have little reason to "play nice" while a President Romney would have no other choice.

Davis X. Machina
...but it is our collective business who gets elected in other regions and states.
My lady wife (and CFO) lets me off the leash for one political cause a cycle. This year, it's the DCCC.
Linkmeister

Hawai'i may actually have a real contest for Senate this year, which is both rare and worrisome. Senator Akaka is retiring, and there's going to be a hotly-contested primary on the D side, with the winner going up against a recent former Governor (R) who left office with reasonable popularity numbers.

That's the only seat the Dems need to worry about out here, but it's a biggie. We're not USED to having to worry that a Republican might win a statewide contest for one of our four seats in Congress.

nancy

Someone had better let young NH voters know that their infatuation with Paul needs further examination.

nancy

ltc --Oh, perfect. :)

KN

Without reading any other comments, with apologies to those commenters, here is my take on things.

I don't think the election really hinges on popular opinion, rather it depends on whether vote fraud, vote surppresion and propaganda can prevail. The indications are that the republicans are going to go all out to defeat Obama for a second term. This would have all kinds of benefits for them. Another Carter Coup so to speak.

On the other hand they have some major liabilities, their candidate list sucks. The reason for that is simple, no one but a delusional narcissist with visions of glory would tackle the problems we face with pathetic pablum and go up against the Cassius Clay of politics.

There is one threat and one threat only, apathy.

Paula B

Well put, KN. I'm assuming you mean total apathy, which prevents people from voting at all, as well as partial apathy, which prevents them from making the effort to get the information they need to make good choices but leaves them open to the sway of propaganda.

oddjob

ltc ftw! :)

MR Bill

KN and ltc, thanks...
xkcd is almost always worth a look.

NH Primary day is about as attractive as feeding time in the alligator pool.

kathy a.

has anyone actually eaten wonder bread (famous in my birth family as the bread you can easily roll into little balls and throw at people) or twinkies in the last few decades?

nancy

kathy -- nope, but having a bag of cheetos around is dangerous at my house. someone will eat them. :)

what will the state fairs do for the novelty bit now? no more deep fried twinkies alas. (thought always made me shudder) cue the blame michelle crowd. 'first lady fights obesity and hurts struggling business'.

Sir Charles

I used to deal with Continental Baking Co. many years ago when I represented a small Teamster pension plan. the bankruptcy filing is prompted in lage part because of the underfunding of these types of pension plans, which in turn has been caused by the fiasco on Wall Street and the devastation of the trucking industry by resort to independent contractors.

kathy a.

nancy, don't get me going on cheetos, doritos, and their kin. one of the bad things about finding out one has high blood pressure is then finding out about salt contents in everything.

thankfully, i don't yet have to track cholesterol or blood sugar. although twinkies would be easy to cross off the list.

nancy

kathy -- a carefully monitored diet without salt...sigh. and never mind. :(

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