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January 08, 2011

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Lisa Simeone

Those of us who've donated money to WikiLeaks are also probably being scrutinized. And who knows which other organizations have already handed over info to the DOJ without notifying their subscribers?

Juan Cole also has some words of wisdom:

If Twitter complies with this order without a legal battle (and Jonsdottir will wage her own), then in my view it should make us all rethink mortgaging our liberties to American social media, technology, and finance companies that are lapdogs of the government. Apple deleted the Wikileaks app for iPhone and iPad even though reading leaked US government cables is not illegal. In fact, the Founding Generation intended that no American should ever need permission to read or write anything. Visa, Mastercard, and Paypal have all blocked payments to Wikileaks even though the organization has not been proved to have done anything illegal.

Meanwhile, Bush administration officials, such as Dick Cheney, who ordered people tortured have not been in any way inconvenienced by Mssrs. Obama and Holder.

In any case, maybe we should all sign up for some social media based in Europe or in the global South (Orkut is now completely based in Brazil, though owned by Google), to stop the rush toward de facto Facebook- and Twitter- internet monopolies, which then are in turn tools of US government control, what with big corporations being overly cozy with Washington.

Maybe MP Jonsdottir can sponsor legislation allowing the setting up of Iceland-based social media that could not so easily be made to kowtow to government.

http://www.juancole.com/2011/01/doj-subpoenas-twitter-account-of-wikileaks-volunteer-and-now-iceland-mp.html#comment-30895

litbrit

Meanwhile, Bush administration officials, such as Dick Cheney, who ordered people tortured have not been in any way inconvenienced by Mssrs. Obama and Holder.

Reprinted for emphasis.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

Sir Charles

A court order of this kind would be enforced by the U.S. Marshals office.

Failure to comply could lead to a contempt citation, which in turn (remember Judith Miller), could lead to being imprisoned.

So the Twitter people really face possibly high stakes here.

The Eastern District of Virginia is a very conservative court. I have never been in front of Judge Bachanan, but I've tried a few cases there and it is not the first place I would want to be in a civil liberties case. The Fourth Circuit is also historically an extremely conservative court, although I think they actually dealt the Bush Administration a couple of setbacks. (I've won two civil cases there after losing in the E.D. VA -- but nothing like this.)

I would think that people involved in activities like wikileaks would think long and hard about using any social media or search engines that are U.S. based. I don't think Twitter is going to have much luck in the way of defenses -- at least none leap to mind that I think will carry the day.

As was seen with Miller, even "cough" bond fide "cough" journalists have been deemed subject to having to reveal information in criminal investigations.

I am rather skeptical that members of the U.S. Marshals are going to be terribly worried about social opprobrium over this sort of thing. Law enforcement personnel are generally subject to scarier things.

Joe R

Publishing the names and photos of the Marshalls who serve these notices is a bit like publishing the names and faces of doctors who peform abortions and when some nutcase uses this info to harass the family of these marshalls then whoever published the info will have some part of the blame.

Far more useful is to publish the name of the atorney who applied for (and signed) this order.

Sir Charles

Joe,

It would be an Assistant United States Attorney. Do we really want to encourage their harrassment?

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