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June 13, 2010

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Crissa

Hasn't peak oil already happened? The only reason we're not suffering from it is 'cause of that massive recession (which, by the way, were alot more common before 1930 than after).

low-tech cyclist

I think it's more that, because of the recession, we don't know whether the peak's ahead of or behind us. If the latter, we'll find out pretty quickly once the world economy starts to recover.

I hope and pray that it hasn't happened yet, and that Obama has some brilliant reason for waiting until after the midterms to start talking about getting ready for the peak. Because when it hits, it's really going to hurt if we haven't prepared for it.

Sir Charles

Well with respect to peak oil we have had almost forty years with which to deal with the possibility and our track record is not very impressive.

I think Obama is certainly cognizant of both the short and long term energy issues -- whether that will get him anywhere remains to be seen.

Jimmy Carter had a fair amount of bad luck while in office. However, he was luckier than Obama in one sense -- there was not an entire political-media apparatus trying to destroy him 24/7. The magnitude of the hostile forces arrayed against Obama are pretty much unprecedented -- well other than that pesky armed insurrection that Lincoln had to deal with.

litbrit

So the oil spill that hasn't happened in 30 years has an 8/30 chance of happening on Obama's watch, which is a nearly 27% chance, which is far from trivial right there.

There you go with that logicy-numbery thing, ltc. Surely you don't expect our leaders to cotton to that with any degree of enthusiam! /snark.

You make excellent, fact-based points here. Thank you.

I would add, if anyone wants to go further still with the logicy-numbery stuff, check out the horrible safety record--the global one--of BP itself, bearing in mind that it's the third largest energy company and the fourth largest company, period, in the world.

Here, even Wiki has a good basic rundown of BP's "incidents".

When you factor in said global record of spills, explosions, and other disasters--along with the unprecedented depths at which they were drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and all the unknowns related thereto, and the company's history of cutting corners in the name of profits--the chances of a disaster of this magnitude occurring, and occurring on Obama's watch, increase even further.

And I'm not even a math person. *sigh*

low-tech cyclist

I think the SAO's point was, "if a major drilling-related catastrophe hasn't happened in 30 years, you can't expect us to be looking at details like that in the first place."

That was really the point I was trying to address: that they can't afford not to consider the possibility of certain genuinely catastrophic events happening on their watch just because they haven't happened in awhile.

And I was trying to make that point in terms of the very information the SAO was willing to use to rule out, or rather cop out, on a more detailed look.

Because if you can get them to look similar information to BP's actual track record for each of the potential 'black swans' out there, then you've already gotten them to not ignore the 'black swans' simply on the basis of their supposed rarity.

minstrel hussain boy

a "black swan" is an event which is not only unanticipated, it goes against what is accepted truth. it comes from the early days of british imperial exploration.

the accepted fact was that there was no such thing as a black swan. then, cook in australia saw them.

all of a sudden, with that sighting, all they thought that they knew about the subject had changed.

a spill by bp is no black swan. they painted their stations green and spent shitloads on advertising to promote their environmental record, while that environmental record was one of the most dismal.

on the bright side, there have been discoveries of extensive mineral deposits in afghanistan. we can send massey and peabody there. if we can get folks in the taliban working for massey and peabody, we won't have to worry about them no more.

kathy a.

that senator is a jerk-ass. talk about trying to profit from a disaster....

what is the POTUS supposed to do, exactly, when this happens on his watch? and he also inherited numerous disasters already in progress, and decades of bad policy?

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