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June 14, 2009

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rk

Thanks for posting this - I've found making this argument difficult recently simply because I didn't know enough. This is despite the fact that my default positions is unions unions unions.

But can I just say that organized labor is not making this point well at all. Even after some cursory digging trying to find the argument, all I could find a few months ago was a video about why unions are important, and everyone should be able to vote to be in one. I was emailed by a friend whose employer sat them down to explain why EFCA was awful - and I bullshitted enough to give her some ammunition against it, but really honestly came up dry. The story you told is not being told nearly well enough. If someone such as myself has had trouble, I can't imagine what truly undecided folks are doing.

More!!

Sir Charles

rk,

Thanks. I will try and post a bit more about why proceedings before the National Labor Relations Board are frustrating often to the point of futility. Just for example, one of the first briefs I ever wrote to a U.S. Court of Appeals was to reinstate some workers who had been fired for being union supporters -- we won and the employees were ordered reinstated and given back pay some seven years after the firing took place. Imagine the impact on the work force of those firings and contrast it with the remedy, where reinstatement is ordered long after most employees have already left the employer in question. The state of the law in such instances makes the right to join and support a union completely illusory.

has_te

Thanks , Sir C.
An issue to which I have paid too little attention, the tits v. the tats.
Which really is all about intimidation. So what you say makes sense.

Informing thuggish employers of a secret ballot is actually to alert them to an hiatus in process.
Time for dirty works in which they can impose their very real intimidatory powers on labor...
the vulnerable individuals that work.

YOUR job is to rework the framing of the phrase, Secret Ballot which is a thing..
What's not to like? That essential & bulwark of free and democratic societies.

Framing, Sir C.
E.g.The whole forced birth issue revolves about & upon it.
[Go get Lakoff, he'd help, I bet.]

J.

Pretty much. The board cert process and ULP remedies are such a sad joke, although hopefully O's appointees, who are pretty damn good, much better than Clinton's, will change that. More than card certification and better damages, though, I'm most excited about the mediation provision. I've got a case where the employer has been dicking around with CBA negotiations for two years.

Sadly, O seems to be selling us out on the Employee Free Choice Act in favor of other agenda items.

Sir Charles

has te,

I am generally leery of "framing" arguments, but in this case I think you are exactly right. We've lost the battle from the start and didn't seem to explain why card check was necessary.

J.,

Keep up the good fight. A couple of Clinton's Board appointees were quite good -- Wilma Liebman and Sarah Fox -- but having to deal with a Republican Congress really put him at a huge disadvantage from which O. does not suffer.

I agree that interest arbitration may even be more important than card check -- having gotten dicked around until impasse on a couple of occassions after winning elections, I know just how you feel.

In the end, however, we somehow have to reaculturate the working class to striking. It's hard, but dammit, it must have been pretty hard in the 1930s too, and yet, that's how we organized entire industries -- not with elections but fucking sit-down strikes. (I do get nostalgic sometimes for times I've never known.)

Corvus9

I think part of the problem for labor making the case for card check is that it is really hard to argue persuasively that your opponent is operating in bad faith. Trying to make the case that employers are lying thugs, and thus we need protection from them, is not a very easy sell in the chummy world of politics. That it's the truth doesn't enter into it. That sucks, but really the only way to counter the Employers' bullshit is to treat it as if it is in good faith and show the holes in the logic, which is nearly impossible to do when you are left fuming at the sheer gall on display.

But you know what, I am getting really tired of people ragging on Obama because he isn't addressing their pet issue at the moment. The economy is in the shitter, we are in two intractable, hopeless wars that need to be resolved, the planet's warming is heading us for environmental degradation, which we refuse to do anything about because our energy system is dependent upon it, and your health care system has needed reform for decades. His political capital is focused right where it has to be right now.

Look, getting the EFCA signed into law would probably effect me, personally, more than any other issue in the docket right now, but I can't really blame Obama for not pursuing it at the moment, because there is really no way to win it right now. The votes are just not there in the Senate. Besides, there really isn't much point to greater unionization in the immediate. Unions are bargaining away pay right now, not getting more of it. Until we get more non-shitty Democrats in the Senate, the economy improves, or the Administration has the political capital available to devote to this issue, it's just not going to happen. That sucks, but it isn't O's fault.

Dan

Let's also remember that the EFCA does not eliminate the right to a secret ballot. If the employees CHOOSE an election, they get one.

All it really does is move the choice of election vs card check from the employers to the employees.

Sir Charles

corvus,

I wasn't denouncing Obama on this. I tend to agree that there isn't much point in using political capital until we get at least some movement in the Senate. If we get to the point where a handful of votes would make a difference I would expect the White House to start pushing then. Right now we just don't seem that close.

Dan,

That goes back to the framing issue that both rk and has te mentioned. Labor has not done a great job with this and the media have been terrible.

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