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April 27, 2009

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Sir Charles

Jesus, now you've totally ruined the ribs I had today at lunch (I wish I was kidding).

The Smithfield company are -- dare I say it -- a pack of pigs. And industrial pig farming in the U.S., especially in North Carolina, seems to be particularly appalling environmentally. I can only imagine what it is like in Mexico.

The thing to remember about these fuckers -- and please take not libertarian friends -- is that they will kill people up to the point where it ceases to be profitable. They want to be able to have their pig shit lagoons without interference from market distorting regulations. Hence, Mexico.

C Sarles

This is a pretty classic case of externalities. Pork (the meat, that is) is inspected, making it harder to get sick from eating it. Meanwhile the farms where it is produced are not inspected, and their waste products have caused an international public health emergency.

mijnheer

The meat industry is possibly the single greatest threat to the world's ecosystems and to the well-being of its inhabitants, via greenhouse-gas emissions, water pollution, ocean dead-zones, rainforest destruction, loss of wildlife habitat, human and animal disease -- and of course the totally unnecessary suffering and death of billions of sentient creatures yearly, which in turn contributes substantially to hunger and starvation among the world's poor via the grossly inefficient conversion of plant calories and protein into meat. This is the inconvenient truth that not even Al Gore wants to talk about.

litbrit

mijnheer, as someone who hasn't touched the stuff (meat) in nearly thirty years, I couldn't agree with you more. My initial reasons for quitting it were to do with waking up one day and thinking of the animals bodies on our plates as sentient beings. How could I love my cats and dogs--mammals like me who have unique characters and behaviors, whom I loved and considered friends, who were capable of feeling pleasure and pain just like me--and not grasp the notion of cows and pigs and sheep being sentient beings, also?

But as time went by, I realized there were health benefits, too. (Lots of carnivores like to talk about vegetarians being just as vulnerable to weight-gain as anyone else, but you know, I don't know any overweight vegetarians, which is not to say there aren't any, only that I don't know any.)

And after the turn of the century, I began learning about the environmental issues you mention. All of which makes it really hard not to jump on a soapbox about it, and promptly get my head handed to me by carnivores, but you have to keep trying. Maybe people will get it, even if they just get it a little bit and cut back. I'm not a fan of the "small steps" approach to life, being instead a rather more dive-the-hell-in-and-do-it-like-you-mean-it person. But if it helps people to go partially, if not fully, vegetarian, I'm all for the incremental approach.

And yes, I am grateful to Al Gore for the consciousness-raising he's done--he has been an amazing advocate, when you think about where we were a decade ago. But he has indeed been curiously silent about the greenhouse gas emissions, pollution, deforestation, etc. associated directly with our national meat addiction. That said, I know from experience that talking about reducing the amount of meat in the American diet is akin to talking about Palestine and how our allegiances in the Middle East might need some, ah, review. In other words, if you're going to go there, be prepared to have lots of people yelling at you.

Earth-TooBigToFail

Could someone PLEASE tell the US media (not that it will hear) that this is not a another case of "weird foreign things to be scared of, but, as Sir Charles said, an AMERICAN multinational using a poisonous but profitable system(CAFO, or petroleum-based factory farm) until it creates terrible consequences for ALL OF US

mijnheer

litbrit: By the way, thanks for the lengthy, informative post on swine flu.

The meat issue is much more intractable than most moral issues. If someone comes to your door asking for a donation for famine relief in Africa, you can give some money, feel good about the contribution you've made to making the world a better place, and go back to living your life with little change or discomfort. But giving up meat (not to mention eggs and dairy products) means a major change in the way you live every day of your life. Most people just don't want to go there; so the easiest response is simply not to think about the issue and to resolutely shove it out of mind whenever it comes up. I'm afraid only a small percentage of people will ever give up meat just for the sake of animals. Health and environmental concerns provide selfish reasons to do what's right and may motivate many people at least to cut back on their meat consumption. Given the realities of human nature, and that none of us are saints, every step in the right direction is to be applauded -- with the proviso that there's always another step to take.

I've been marking students' exams, including a question on the moral status of animals. One student wrote that humans and animals should be treated "in the same manor". I hope that includes room service and afternoon tea on the lawn.

litbrit

There's a new post upstairs. One with some pretty horrible pictures.

has_te

Very nice medical reporting, Ma'am.
[suspect the girl has some background thereto.]

A good phrase to which I was exposed in H5N1 days is 'mixer species',
an incubator hospitable to cross-infectious viral recombinants.
Looked through this nice

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/top-10/top-10-flu-animals-09.html

catalogue at Discovery and with your note...

during the last major flu outbreak, the H5N1 avian flu virus also infected cats in Europe.

expecting to find feline flu high on the list...listed 8th, if not eighth in import.
Anyway..a good term.

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