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March 16, 2008

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Sir Charles

The Republican Party is inundated with this kind of fake machismo.

However, Bush's statement was really off the charts in this regard -- the absolute absence of self-awareness, not to mention the preposterous romanticization of war, something that he, of course, moved heaven and earth to avoid.

Tom

Eureka. What a great find.

I'd like to see someone analyze that whole "memories of testosterone" phenomenon a bit further. I'm young now, with no intention of joining the military, and I'd like to hope that when I'm old I will not start acting like a militaristic jackass -- especially not if I'm with someone who has actually fought in a war.

low-tech cyclist

As one who was against the Vietnam War when young, I've not observed this phenomenon of former peaceniks turning weapons and reenactment enthusiasts. I'd like to have more than one man's anecdotes as evidence before regarding it as real.

I'm more worried about the pro-war types who avoided fighting in the wars of their time, from Cheney and Bush on down.

It's crazy that a man with as many years behind him as Bush has, could hold onto the notion that there's anything romantic about war. Even a 'good' war such as WWII or the American Revolution is a bloody mess, to be avoided unless there's no rational alternative.

I remember visiting the Yorktown battlefield with a friend when I was in my early 30s. One of the exhibits mentioned that the Americans 'softened up' a British defensive position for some hours before trying to overtake it. What it didn't say, but that my friend and I discussed, was that 'softening up' meant raining artillery fire down on the position, killing and wounding enough men, and striking fear into the hearts of enough others, so that the defenders wouldn't have much fight left in them.

That's what war is about: people getting blown up. It's hard to romanticize that, once it's wormed its way into your awareness. I can understand why Mitch Luckett is depressed by his friends' requests for anecdotes that are both authentic and romantic. That our President thinks war is romantic tells me that he's never gotten past adolescence.

litbrit

ltc, I agree--it's the pro-war types who previously avoided it that make me nervous ("War for thee but not for me!")

I don't think Mr. Luckett was saying all people who were against war in their youth will, due to testosterone memories, later turn into hawks in their middle years. Rather, I think he was pointing to some of the ones who do, and looking at their unusual interest in romanticizing war and the irony of same. And positing that Bush, with his unparalleled access to power and battle by proxy, is the most dangerous version of such romanticizers.

Lisa Simeone

I'm with litbrit on this. Luckett was just drawing a comparison between his own experiences and the fantasies of Bush. He wasn't trying to claim some kind of trend or national former-peacenik-now-warmonger psychosis.

BillCinSD

But aren't the pro-war types who avoided war the people that are most likely to be suffering from memories of testosterone? thus the point of using Luckett's words in this context isn't about specifically liberal draft dodgers, but more about the Bush's and Cheney's

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