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January 02, 2008

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Sir Charles

Wow -- Mitt as the mayor. It's brilliant. I'm not sure the mayor was quite as creeepy.

Amanda Marcotte

Thompson as The Judge. Considering that he's running on his reputation playing one on "Law and Order", that's like triple funny.

BruceMcF

Too bad Buffy didn't have any good zombies ... I reckon Freddie's got the zombie vote locked up.

Misplaced Patriot

Giuliani looks more like on of the Gentlemen from "Hush."

R Johnston

Heh. Cute. Just one quibble though: You've generally matched leading candidates with big bads of the season, lesser candidates with lesser villains; how does Hunter rate as Adam?

Duncan's Tector Gorch, the lesser sibling of your Lyle, Tancredo.

R Johnston

Heh. Cute. Just one quibble though: You've generally matched leading candidates with big bads of the season, lesser candidates with lesser villains; how does Hunter rate as Adam?

Duncan's Tector Gorch, the lesser sibling of your Lyle, Tancredo.

Draven

I would put Ron Paul more towards the Ethan Rayne role.

Going to do this for the Dems?

I can totally see Hillary as Glory or Professor Walsh or Halfrek.

I could see Obama as Mr. Trick.

Edwards would have to be Principle Snyder. He talks a good game. He's creepy. He has visions of glory but is mostly impotent.

LadyCrow

I agree with the casting by role, but for sheer cuteness, there's no way Huckabee comes CLOSE to Nathan Fillion. Not even when he's forced into Caleb's bad haircut. Huckabee will never be as f***able as Captain Tightpants, and I suspect that's part of what eats at him....

litbrit

HAHAHAHAHA! These are wonderful--well-done, Neil.

BTW, did you ever see the side-by-side photos of Rudy and Nosferatu?

Zoe Winters

Ron Paul as Moloch is sadly true. Though Giuliani as Angelus I can't totally get, but that's probably cause I liked Angelus.

Wyrd

It's a good list.

Mayor Wilkens is much better than Mitt though at giving the false impression of honesty and not getting caught mid-lie.

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Furry cows moo and decompress.

Stephen

Brilliant, Neil.

Dave

I'm even a Republican, and this list is GREAT.

MB

Bravo. Seriously.

jeff

Great list, but I can't agree with Rudy and Angel. He would be a good match for one of the gentlemen from "Hush" as mentioned already, but I would categorize him more toward Glory; he also has the divine Deity complex, and acts like everyone should be bowing down to him all the time.

And Barak Obama would make a good Cordelia Chase; puts on a good front, acting like he is all that, but empty and nothing original to offer.

Julie Waters

This is great, but I'd make a suggestion: Rudy's more like Warren: clever, but only to a point, and gets himself killed easily once faced with a real enemy and without the rest of his triumvirate to serve as human shields. Always expects other people to do the dirty work and after not too much time in the game, sets himself up for failure by making the wrong person mad.

R Johnston

To those saying they don't like the comparison of Rudy to Angelus, I've got to say that the comparison is inspired. In particular, while the other Republican candidates are evil, Rudy truly delights in and lives for evil. He's evil not because he wants power, or wealth, or to impose god's will; he's evil because it's spectacularly fun for him to be evil. The thought of evil makes Rudy giggle like a schoolgirl.

Rudy is Angelus.

Melanie

You've made whedonesque:
http://whedonesque.com/comments/15086

Neil the Ethical Werewolf

Thanks to everyone who commented and linked! I'm happily surprised by the response this has gotten.

Rudy was the one who was causing me the most trouble, and I might've switched to the Gentlemen if I'd thought more about it. I do like R Johnston's point about Rudy's sadism though. If there's one guy up there who could survive the touch of the Judge, it'd be Giuliani.

Tom

I love the Fred Thompson comparison.

I loathe the fact that, in the comments both here and at Whedonesque, Obama only gets likened to black Buffy villains. This seems like a real failure of imagination.

What's even worse, is that I have to compare him to yet another black villain: Jasmine, presiding over a new era of bipartisan good feeling and rapprochement.

Tom

"only" above should be "mostly." Thanks, jeff, for comparing Obama to a white person. Too bad your comparison is empty and unfunny.

Glenn Fayard

-Thanks to everyone who commented and linked! I'm happily surprised by the response this has gotten.

Right, like Buffy isn't the sacred darling of all internet-dwellers.

R Johnston

Well, as Buffy said about Andrew, so it can be said about Obama and why people are worried about his dabbling too closely with the dark side's talking points:

"He's not evil but when he gets close to it, he picks up its flavor, like a mushroom or something."

eyelessgame

Barack Obama => Willow Rosenberg

Member of a disadvantaged minority. Far more sensible-sounding than anyone else in the group. Flirts with the dark side.

John Edwards => Xander Harris

Good-looking enough to make the girls swoon. Common man's touch. White male, therefore relegated to supporting role.

Joe Biden => Rupert Giles

Old guy you go to for advice. Had his day but it was long ago.

Dennis Kucinich => Anya

Good to have on your side; has trouble saying things that make sense to humans.


Joe Lieberman => Faith

Will probably endorse Romney.


Hillary Clinton => Buffy Summers

Her choice of gentleman companions leaves something to be desired. Struggles with her demons. Portrayed by a not terribly likeable actress. But you know that when the chips are down she will kick serious ass.

caraway_

That was both brilliantly frightening and frighteningly brilliant. Guiliani as Angel(us) really works for me - we thought he had a soul for a short period, but he got too happy with 9/11 and lost it...

James

What, No Alan Keyes? Tom Thompson was actually pretty qualified but has no chance.

Does buffy not have a token black guy? Even the Republican party has Keyes (who is running FYI) and Colin Powel (whose wife won't let him, I'm serious that's the reason he gave)

James

Oh and R. Johnston, Lieberman endorses John McCain. He said he was hurt no democrat asked for his endorsement, but McCain did and he likes McCain as a more centrist candidate rather then far right.

faith

awesome.

brandon

Hmm, I think John McCain is Spike. Stole the show years ago with devil-may-care charisma, now spends his time in the GOP basement drinking blood out of milk jugs.

On that note, Ron Paul would make a pretty good Drusilla.

Kylenne

Great list, but Rudy should have been Glory, complete with drag photo.

Stan Denski

Change Rudy from Angelus to Principle Skinner (he even looks like him, the weasle). Add Hillary as Prof. Walsh (good call!); the add Edwards as Riley Finn and Obama as Principle Wood. Tack on Kucinich as Zander and you're about done!

KG

Fantastic list that brought a big smile to my face.

tleewaor

Can't wait to see the Dem list to see which villainess is Hilary...

Genius work. My hat is off.

rufustfyrfly

Guiliani as Glory is particularly inspired. The "Sex on the City" scandal would then be the moment when everyone started to realize that "Ben is Glory." Though he may look like the gentlemen, he unfortunately is not as quiet as they were.

I'm sticking to my contention over at Pandagon that Hillary Clinton is a member of the Watcher's Council--generally well meaning, but stuck in her establishment ways.

I still haven't found alter egos for the other Democrats that really satisfy me, though.

rufustfyrfly

Okay, I've got it--

Obama is fifth-season Angel. He has a long history of fighting against evil, but also a disturbing tendency to ignore or stab his friends in the back. He's getting caught up in the system, and no one is really sure if he's actually becoming co-opted or has a plan to overcome it.

jeff

Tom apparently objects to my comparing Obama to a white character; I was looking at behavior and character traits rather than color, which I guess some will not be able to get past in this election. My comparison was not meant to be funny, either, as I see Obama as having no real depth, and only relying on the keyword "CHANGE" and a single inspirational speech. Like Cordelia Chase, a one-trick pony, with nothing to really offer outside of playing off the ideas of those around her (or him).

I stand by the comparison.

Moonbootica

Buffy did have a toke black guy

in the villain department they had Mr. Trick who first worked for Kaksitos and then was hired by the Mayor

also that Black preacher guy who wanted to bring back the Master in the S2 premier 'When She Was Bad'

in S4 there was Forrest, a memeber of the Initiative and a friend of then Boy toy of Buffy, Riley Finn

/ yep I'm one of those Buffy geeks

great and very funny post btw :)

Miriam

Buffy did have a token black guy villian

And don't forget Sweet from "Once More with Feeling."

freewheel

This is truly great.

The problem with the Rudy-Angelus analogy is that Angelus had the potential to be Angel (and have a soul). Unlikely that Rudy shares that potential.

Lost Clown

I have proof that Ron Paul is Moloch.

The town I live in is super-super liberal. Last election we had the *largest* (not kidding) caucus for Kuchinich and now the people you see at the weekly protest and who I saw at the caucus last year have RON PAUL BUMPER STICKERS!

See...the Corrupter. Can we bind him in something, because before I knew he had Moloch's powers I just could not for the life of me understand what the hell was going on.

And yes, freewheel, I wholeheartedly agree as a former NYC resident that Guiliani has no soul nor will he ever.

CarbonDate

People who once caucused for Kucinich are now supporting Ron Paul? Somehow, I always suspected that a lot of Kucinich backers weren't the deepest thinkers, despite what they like to believe.

Great list, BTW. Wouldn't change a thing. T. Thompson as the Anointed One is perfect, and I'm from Wisconsin, so I know.

Holly

I just hope who ever gets the Republican nod turns out to be a fear demon - squashed easily.

Elaine

Love this, but Giuliani as Angelus? To paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen, "Mayor, Angelus was a friend of mine, and you sir, are no Angelus." Rudy as Principal Snyder, now we're talking.

Dave

What about the Democratic candidates? Hillary as Maggie Walsh, Obama as Mr. Trick... maybe John Edwards as Mr. Parker Abrams?

Kate

Totally agree with Edwards as Riley! Handsome and upright, but flawed. I see Hillary as Joyce -- kind of controlling and manipulative though well-intentioned. Giles is John Kerry, of course: proper and noble, but Ripper's still there, too! Haven't figured Obama out yet...the race is a coincidence, believe it or not, but he COULD be Principal Wood.

Megan

Love the list, but I agree with Elaine. Rudy as Principal Snyder would be inspired!

CLF

Principal Wood...Struggled growing up with an absent parent, moves back and forth between two worlds, looks too young for the job, is fighting the good fight despite tension with some of the other "good" guys, at times his well-intentioned actions may play into the hands of the enemy, does his own thing without consulting established authorities... I hate that all the Obama comparisons seem to be based on race, but I can see this one.

Serena

Whether we designate Edwards as Riley depends entirely on how much we want to insult him.

borehole

Another vote for Giuliani to be matched up with Principle Snyder. Lookswise it's almost TOO perfect, but the details bear it out--they're both socially awkward control freaks who abuse their offices, supposedly for your own good.

Also that Huntner and Tancredo should both be Gorches.

Otherwise this is awesome.

Oh, and while I'm here just echoing other comments, whoever said the Mayor was less creepy than Romney wasn't, I don't think, being hyperbolic. He was honestly a more sympathetic character than the real guy.

Jesse M.

jeff wrote: "Tom apparently objects to my comparing Obama to a white character."

Actually, if you read Tom's two comments again, he was saying the exact opposite, criticizing others for a failure of imagination in *only* comparing Obama to black characters. He thanked you for being the exception to the rule, although he didn't like your comparison for other reasons.

And yeah, Principal Snyder is definitely the best matchup for 9u11iani so far...

calling all toasters

Joe Lieberman is clearly The Annoying One: an unimpressive-looking, whiny, suck-up to evil who is worshipped by the undead (the press0 for no obvious reason.

Elle Rayne

We seem to have moved towards comparing the candidates to the heroes...not that that's a bad thing. Interesting how Obama keeps getting compared to black characters...it's obvious that most people are looking at his skin, not his ideas.

Jeff, I agree, Rudy is Glory. Haha!

Holly, LOL!

And the comparison of Moloch to Ron Paul is priceless.

Amierah

I adore you.

I agree. Guliani is better as snyder...they look super a like.

Mitt Romney as the Mayor is priceless.

hmmm.

Actually, I think the problem here is that people are trying to equate the Democratic candidates with villains. They're actually the scooby gang...

anthro-geek

OMG! Brilliant! Huckabee = Caleb is dead on. ;-)

Of course, B. Obama would make a good Principle Wood.

Joshua Gold


Re watching Buffy right now, Can't believe y'all missed this one. Rudy is Gachnar, the fear Demon. (Season 4, episode 4).

Really sums Rudy up. All sorts of big talk, 4" tall. Will get crushed underfoot.

And as for Obama as Principle Wood, I really like that. He always tried to make you feel good about yourself. and even though he desperately wanted to hurt Spike, he was able to pull back for the greater good. Kind of like what Obama is having to do right now with Clinton

Lewis

I think the better match for Rudy is Glory.

Jen M

If you do a post on the democratic candidates, check out the last 3 episodes of Angel. There is a demon politician who clawed her way up from hell to be put in a human body, and would not lose the election to a to a good, innocent man.

She looks very simmilar to Clinton, oh and she mentions that she will be running for president in 2008. ALso, she was a member of the Black Thorn. An evil secret society that carried out the 'senior partners' plan for the apocolypse on earth.

Greta Christina

This is hilarious. I'm linking to it on my own blog.

Rudy is a tough one. Physically, Principal Snyder is the best match. But I'm going to propose one that hasn't been suggested yet:

Illyria.

Constantly obsessing about a moment of glory in his past, to the point where it's become pathetic. Convinced that this past moment of glory still makes him impressive and intimidating and worthy of respect. Nowhere near as powerful as he used to be, but still a threat. Not completely incapable of human feeling, but ultimately craven and self-centered.

Dana

Katie and Samantha and I spent the holidays in a truly self-destructive Buffy-thon (we made it to season six and have since limited ourselves to one episode a day. We just watched "Once More With Feeling" for the nth time and it is the very best piece of television I have ever seen, even including all the episodes of Battlestar Galactica and the new, excellent Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles. Thanks, Jim, for showing the non-Buffy-ites out there that the show DOES have real-world relevance!

Gordon

I have to disagree with you about Mayor Wilkins; he was much more like Huckabee, home spun and moralizing. Mitt is more like somebody out of Wolfram and Hart than anyone I can think of from Buffy per se.

Cinders

Wow! That was seriously great.

Hey eyelessgame, I loved your analysis too. Especially Hilary as Buffy. It makes so much sense now... XD

Chris

Hmm... for a non-race-based Obama, I might put him with Riley. He's a youngster with a good heart, but doesn't really know what to do to be good.
He struggles against living under Mother's shadow, and is generally well-liked, despite not having a lot of original ideas. He's a poster-boy, but doesn't offer much beyond what's printed on the poster.

notintheface

Romney is Angelus - Both apparently use the same the same nancy-boy hair gel.

Joe Lieberman is Amy - Both have become rats.

Sunfire

When I saw this, I immediately thought of this because of this blog entry.

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