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January 15, 2008

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Sir Charles

But that's class warfare Stephen -- and we all know that's bad. Mr. Broder tells me all the time.

has_te

Cognitive dissonance, actually.

This is the truth that conservative economics seeks to obscure: wealth never "trickles down." Never. Wealth always flows from poor to rich."

It's the gravity thing and down and flow.

"I've got this great illustration"..I exclaimed, about how it does trickle down
but neither very far nor ever at all very broadly. Which it does not indeed.
And, while you're absolutely correct, one is still faced in the analogy
with the difficulty in picturing how it gets up there ab initio...
to dribble as they claim it does.

Bruce Webb

"There are only so many huge yachts, priceless paintings and diamonds the size of goose eggs, after all."

Plus you can buy and dock that huge yacht in Bermuda, hang those priceless paintings in your villa on the Riviera, and stash those goose eggs in a safe deposit box in London. And not pay any US tax at all.

The opportunities for tax avoidance under FairTax are huge for the middle class and incalculable for the wealthy. As an example I know people who are either self-employed or are in jobs that have no dental coverage that schedule vacations in Mexico around appointments to have their teeth fixed there. On a straight out cash basis you can pay for your flight and lodgings out of the cost differential. That's today, add 23% or whatever on top of that and everyone will be buying goods and services across the border.

It takes a pretty clairvoyant custom inspector to realize that you left the US carrying nothing and returned with four suitcases full of nice belongings bought overseas. Combine a stronger dollar with a FairTax and American retailers will wonder what the hell hit them, I live an hour from Canada and nobody is going to notice that I left the US wearing ratty sneakers and a t-shirt and returned wearing $200 shoes and a $500 sport jacket. 23% or 30% builds in a whole bunch of tax avoidance, 'I can get it for you wholesale' takes on a whole new meaning.

Sir Charles

Bruce,

Not to mention the thriving black markets that we will create within our own borders.

Karmakin

Bravo.

Ricky

Don't forget that the 23% (which is really 30%) wasn't even considered a reasonable number the Bush Treasury Department. I believe they pegged it at 36% in order to be revenue neutral but also assumed 100% compliance (something even the IRS doesn't do for income tax estimates!) and didn't account for the fact that the government would also have to pay the sales tax on all its purchases, which would mean either reducing spending by 36% immediately, raising the rate even higher, or just borrowing another couple of billion dollars from our soon-to-be Chinese overlords. If Bush can't lie these numbers into something reasonable I can't imagine this proposal getting anywhere.

El Cid

Thanks for noticing the comment, but in general it is amazing how in this country the super-ultra-upper classes have such a gigantic impact on not just our policies but the entire political system, and we generally just don't discuss this empirical reality, instead we focus on whether or not the insta-mansion owners are "rich" or not -- as if the average millionaire etc. has as much impact on policy as just one billionaire.

One of our last major power structure researchers, G. William Domhoff, recently posted a speech he gave in 2006 on the whole topic.

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/theory/mills_address.html

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